Discussion:
Jagged presentation of text/fonts in Powerpoint
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Werner Mueller
2007-02-14 15:51:12 UTC
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Dear Newsgroup,

I have a big problem with MS-Word-objects (in fact it are word-tables), that
I embedd in a Powerpoint-presantation.
I use Powerpoint (V10.6804 SP3) and W2K (but also XP).
During development of the slides the writing inside the table looks OK,
but when I start the presentation(1024x768 pixel), the writings in Arial 10
(bold) inside of the word-object are strongly jagged and some distances
between single letters are bigger than anticipated. Some of the letters are
not readable.
You may argue, that Arial 10 is to small for presentation; BUT
if I write the same text in Arial 10 (bold) for example in the header
(text-area) of the slide,
the writing is clear (not jagged) during presentation.

Any helping idea (without telling me,
- not to use so small fonts and
- not to use embedded word-objects)?

Kind regards
Werner
Echo S
2007-02-14 16:19:56 UTC
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Make sure the Word object is set to an equal aspect ratio.

To do so, right-click the Word object on the slide, choose Format Object. On
the Size tab, set to 100% x 100% (or some other equal proportion).

Does that fix it?

If not, then copy the Word object, pull the original off the edge of the
slide so it won't show in slide show view, right-click, Format Object, and
in the Size tab, set to 5% x 5% so it won't throw off the view when you
scroll from slide to slide while editing.

Now, back to the copy on the slide -- select it and ungroup it until you
can't ungroup any more. Does that resolve the problem?
--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/powerpointannoy/
Post by Werner Mueller
Dear Newsgroup,
I have a big problem with MS-Word-objects (in fact it are word-tables), that
I embedd in a Powerpoint-presantation.
I use Powerpoint (V10.6804 SP3) and W2K (but also XP).
During development of the slides the writing inside the table looks OK,
but when I start the presentation(1024x768 pixel), the writings in Arial 10
(bold) inside of the word-object are strongly jagged and some distances
between single letters are bigger than anticipated. Some of the letters are
not readable.
You may argue, that Arial 10 is to small for presentation; BUT
if I write the same text in Arial 10 (bold) for example in the header
(text-area) of the slide,
the writing is clear (not jagged) during presentation.
Any helping idea (without telling me,
- not to use so small fonts and
- not to use embedded word-objects)?
Kind regards
Werner
TAJ Simmons
2007-02-15 12:54:01 UTC
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Werner

What Echo said ... but also...

If you 'un-group' the word table... then the jaggies will go away

Cheers
TAJ Simmons
microsoft powerpoint mvp

awesome - powerpoint backgrounds,
http://www.awesomebackgrounds.com
free powerpoint templates, tutorials, hints, tips and more...
Post by Echo S
Make sure the Word object is set to an equal aspect ratio.
To do so, right-click the Word object on the slide, choose Format Object.
On the Size tab, set to 100% x 100% (or some other equal proportion).
Does that fix it?
If not, then copy the Word object, pull the original off the edge of the
slide so it won't show in slide show view, right-click, Format Object, and
in the Size tab, set to 5% x 5% so it won't throw off the view when you
scroll from slide to slide while editing.
Now, back to the copy on the slide -- select it and ungroup it until you
can't ungroup any more. Does that resolve the problem?
--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances
http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/powerpointannoy/
Post by Werner Mueller
Dear Newsgroup,
I have a big problem with MS-Word-objects (in fact it are word-tables), that
I embedd in a Powerpoint-presantation.
I use Powerpoint (V10.6804 SP3) and W2K (but also XP).
During development of the slides the writing inside the table looks OK,
but when I start the presentation(1024x768 pixel), the writings in Arial 10
(bold) inside of the word-object are strongly jagged and some distances
between single letters are bigger than anticipated. Some of the letters are
not readable.
You may argue, that Arial 10 is to small for presentation; BUT
if I write the same text in Arial 10 (bold) for example in the header
(text-area) of the slide,
the writing is clear (not jagged) during presentation.
Any helping idea (without telling me,
- not to use so small fonts and
- not to use embedded word-objects)?
Kind regards
Werner
Werner Mueller
2007-02-16 20:53:24 UTC
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Dear Echo, dear TAJ Simmons,

thank you for your ideas.
I am sorry, but both procedures made the look of the Word-objects even
worse!
As far as I understand, the 'ungrouping' makes a kind of a picture of the
word-table.
With this font size the developing-screen AND the presentatin - screen
(both) look even more jagged.

Sorry!

Werner
Post by Werner Mueller
Werner
What Echo said ... but also...
If you 'un-group' the word table... then the jaggies will go away
Cheers
TAJ Simmons
microsoft powerpoint mvp
awesome - powerpoint backgrounds,
http://www.awesomebackgrounds.com
free powerpoint templates, tutorials, hints, tips and more...
Post by Echo S
Make sure the Word object is set to an equal aspect ratio.
To do so, right-click the Word object on the slide, choose Format Object.
On the Size tab, set to 100% x 100% (or some other equal proportion).
Does that fix it?
If not, then copy the Word object, pull the original off the edge of the
slide so it won't show in slide show view, right-click, Format Object, and
in the Size tab, set to 5% x 5% so it won't throw off the view when you
scroll from slide to slide while editing.
Now, back to the copy on the slide -- select it and ungroup it until you
can't ungroup any more. Does that resolve the problem?
--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances
http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/powerpointannoy/
Post by Werner Mueller
Dear Newsgroup,
I have a big problem with MS-Word-objects (in fact it are word-tables), that
I embedd in a Powerpoint-presantation.
I use Powerpoint (V10.6804 SP3) and W2K (but also XP).
During development of the slides the writing inside the table looks OK,
but when I start the presentation(1024x768 pixel), the writings in
Arial
Post by Werner Mueller
Post by Echo S
Post by Werner Mueller
10
(bold) inside of the word-object are strongly jagged and some distances
between single letters are bigger than anticipated. Some of the letters are
not readable.
You may argue, that Arial 10 is to small for presentation; BUT
if I write the same text in Arial 10 (bold) for example in the header
(text-area) of the slide,
the writing is clear (not jagged) during presentation.
Any helping idea (without telling me,
- not to use so small fonts and
- not to use embedded word-objects)?
Kind regards
Werner
Echo S
2007-02-17 00:42:51 UTC
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Hmmmm.

You might try copying the Word table on the slide and Edit | Paste Special,
choose PNG.
--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/powerpointannoy/
Post by Werner Mueller
Dear Echo, dear TAJ Simmons,
thank you for your ideas.
I am sorry, but both procedures made the look of the Word-objects even
worse!
As far as I understand, the 'ungrouping' makes a kind of a picture of the
word-table.
With this font size the developing-screen AND the presentatin - screen
(both) look even more jagged.
Sorry!
Werner
Post by Werner Mueller
Werner
What Echo said ... but also...
If you 'un-group' the word table... then the jaggies will go away
Cheers
TAJ Simmons
microsoft powerpoint mvp
awesome - powerpoint backgrounds,
http://www.awesomebackgrounds.com
free powerpoint templates, tutorials, hints, tips and more...
Post by Echo S
Make sure the Word object is set to an equal aspect ratio.
To do so, right-click the Word object on the slide, choose Format
Object.
Post by Werner Mueller
Post by Echo S
On the Size tab, set to 100% x 100% (or some other equal proportion).
Does that fix it?
If not, then copy the Word object, pull the original off the edge of the
slide so it won't show in slide show view, right-click, Format Object,
and
Post by Werner Mueller
Post by Echo S
in the Size tab, set to 5% x 5% so it won't throw off the view when you
scroll from slide to slide while editing.
Now, back to the copy on the slide -- select it and ungroup it until you
can't ungroup any more. Does that resolve the problem?
--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances
http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/powerpointannoy/
Post by Werner Mueller
Dear Newsgroup,
I have a big problem with MS-Word-objects (in fact it are
word-tables),
that
I embedd in a Powerpoint-presantation.
I use Powerpoint (V10.6804 SP3) and W2K (but also XP).
During development of the slides the writing inside the table looks OK,
but when I start the presentation(1024x768 pixel), the writings in
Arial
Post by Werner Mueller
Post by Echo S
Post by Werner Mueller
10
(bold) inside of the word-object are strongly jagged and some distances
between single letters are bigger than anticipated. Some of the
letters
are
not readable.
You may argue, that Arial 10 is to small for presentation; BUT
if I write the same text in Arial 10 (bold) for example in the header
(text-area) of the slide,
the writing is clear (not jagged) during presentation.
Any helping idea (without telling me,
- not to use so small fonts and
- not to use embedded word-objects)?
Kind regards
Werner
Werner Mueller
2007-02-20 16:00:56 UTC
Permalink
Dear Newsgroup,

I found an additional problem with respect to the presentation of slides
and jagged text.
- If you create a diagram with labeled columns and labeled rows and you just
present the produced diagram (not ungrouped or touched in any way), the
presentation looks good.
- BUT, if you simply copy the whole slide and add a user defined animation
that way, that you simply show the diagram on mouse-click,
the text (fonts) look jagged. Taking away (deleting) the animation, and the
fonts look good again.

Do you have any idea, how this can happen??

Kind regards
Werner
Post by Werner Mueller
Dear Echo, dear TAJ Simmons,
thank you for your ideas.
I am sorry, but both procedures made the look of the Word-objects even
worse!
As far as I understand, the 'ungrouping' makes a kind of a picture of the
word-table.
With this font size the developing-screen AND the presentatin - screen
(both) look even more jagged.
Sorry!
Werner
Post by Werner Mueller
Werner
What Echo said ... but also...
If you 'un-group' the word table... then the jaggies will go away
Cheers
TAJ Simmons
microsoft powerpoint mvp
awesome - powerpoint backgrounds,
http://www.awesomebackgrounds.com
free powerpoint templates, tutorials, hints, tips and more...
Post by Echo S
Make sure the Word object is set to an equal aspect ratio.
To do so, right-click the Word object on the slide, choose Format
Object.
Post by Werner Mueller
Post by Echo S
On the Size tab, set to 100% x 100% (or some other equal proportion).
Does that fix it?
If not, then copy the Word object, pull the original off the edge of the
slide so it won't show in slide show view, right-click, Format Object,
and
Post by Werner Mueller
Post by Echo S
in the Size tab, set to 5% x 5% so it won't throw off the view when you
scroll from slide to slide while editing.
Now, back to the copy on the slide -- select it and ungroup it until you
can't ungroup any more. Does that resolve the problem?
--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances
http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/powerpointannoy/
Post by Werner Mueller
Dear Newsgroup,
I have a big problem with MS-Word-objects (in fact it are
word-tables),
Post by Werner Mueller
Post by Werner Mueller
Post by Echo S
Post by Werner Mueller
that
I embedd in a Powerpoint-presantation.
I use Powerpoint (V10.6804 SP3) and W2K (but also XP).
During development of the slides the writing inside the table looks OK,
but when I start the presentation(1024x768 pixel), the writings in
Arial
Post by Werner Mueller
Post by Echo S
Post by Werner Mueller
10
(bold) inside of the word-object are strongly jagged and some distances
between single letters are bigger than anticipated. Some of the
letters
Post by Werner Mueller
Post by Werner Mueller
Post by Echo S
Post by Werner Mueller
are
not readable.
You may argue, that Arial 10 is to small for presentation; BUT
if I write the same text in Arial 10 (bold) for example in the header
(text-area) of the slide,
the writing is clear (not jagged) during presentation.
Any helping idea (without telling me,
- not to use so small fonts and
- not to use embedded word-objects)?
Kind regards
Werner
Echo S
2007-02-20 23:12:26 UTC
Permalink
This is actually a known issue -- animated text often gets the jaggies where
static text doesn't. The only real resolution is not to use animation.

Alternatively, you can often create an image out of the text (or, in your
case, the diagram) and animate that. Text in images doesn't usually get
jagged.

To create an image, use the Paste Special technique I mentioned in my
previous post in this thread.
--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/powerpointannoy/
Post by Werner Mueller
Dear Newsgroup,
I found an additional problem with respect to the presentation of slides
and jagged text.
- If you create a diagram with labeled columns and labeled rows and you just
present the produced diagram (not ungrouped or touched in any way), the
presentation looks good.
- BUT, if you simply copy the whole slide and add a user defined animation
that way, that you simply show the diagram on mouse-click,
the text (fonts) look jagged. Taking away (deleting) the animation, and the
fonts look good again.
Do you have any idea, how this can happen??
Kind regards
Werner
Post by Werner Mueller
Dear Echo, dear TAJ Simmons,
thank you for your ideas.
I am sorry, but both procedures made the look of the Word-objects even
worse!
As far as I understand, the 'ungrouping' makes a kind of a picture of the
word-table.
With this font size the developing-screen AND the presentatin - screen
(both) look even more jagged.
Sorry!
Werner
Post by Werner Mueller
Werner
What Echo said ... but also...
If you 'un-group' the word table... then the jaggies will go away
Cheers
TAJ Simmons
microsoft powerpoint mvp
awesome - powerpoint backgrounds,
http://www.awesomebackgrounds.com
free powerpoint templates, tutorials, hints, tips and more...
Post by Echo S
Make sure the Word object is set to an equal aspect ratio.
To do so, right-click the Word object on the slide, choose Format
Object.
Post by Werner Mueller
Post by Echo S
On the Size tab, set to 100% x 100% (or some other equal proportion).
Does that fix it?
If not, then copy the Word object, pull the original off the edge of
the
Post by Werner Mueller
Post by Werner Mueller
Post by Echo S
slide so it won't show in slide show view, right-click, Format Object,
and
Post by Werner Mueller
Post by Echo S
in the Size tab, set to 5% x 5% so it won't throw off the view when
you
Post by Werner Mueller
Post by Werner Mueller
Post by Echo S
scroll from slide to slide while editing.
Now, back to the copy on the slide -- select it and ungroup it until
you
Post by Werner Mueller
Post by Werner Mueller
Post by Echo S
can't ungroup any more. Does that resolve the problem?
--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances
http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/powerpointannoy/
Post by Werner Mueller
Dear Newsgroup,
I have a big problem with MS-Word-objects (in fact it are
word-tables),
Post by Werner Mueller
Post by Werner Mueller
Post by Echo S
Post by Werner Mueller
that
I embedd in a Powerpoint-presantation.
I use Powerpoint (V10.6804 SP3) and W2K (but also XP).
During development of the slides the writing inside the table looks
OK,
Post by Werner Mueller
Post by Werner Mueller
Post by Echo S
Post by Werner Mueller
but when I start the presentation(1024x768 pixel), the writings in
Arial
Post by Werner Mueller
Post by Echo S
Post by Werner Mueller
10
(bold) inside of the word-object are strongly jagged and some
distances
Post by Werner Mueller
Post by Werner Mueller
Post by Echo S
Post by Werner Mueller
between single letters are bigger than anticipated. Some of the
letters
Post by Werner Mueller
Post by Werner Mueller
Post by Echo S
Post by Werner Mueller
are
not readable.
You may argue, that Arial 10 is to small for presentation; BUT
if I write the same text in Arial 10 (bold) for example in the header
(text-area) of the slide,
the writing is clear (not jagged) during presentation.
Any helping idea (without telling me,
- not to use so small fonts and
- not to use embedded word-objects)?
Kind regards
Werner
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